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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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511	X-san Wed 6/11/2008 6:18p	***But my strong religious beliefs will never advocate those things.*** You never know. People change. Seems to be lots of ex-Mormons around, that's for sure. ***Hindus don't believe in eating meat. But they don't insist ALL of us become vegetarians.*** Well said.
512	Dabob2 Thu 6/12/2008 11:09a	<So please don't misinterpret what I'm saying it's getting a little annoying.> I'm not sure what you're saying then. Who is not going to believe someone is gay if that person tells the other person he is? Sure, some people cling to the stereotype, but if I told such a person I was gay, why would he not believe me? And "Of course I don't believe people choose to be homosexual, especially if you happen to a be a minority or woman" still mystifies me.
513	DAR Thu 6/12/2008 11:37a	<<I'm not sure what you're saying then. Who is not going to believe someone is gay if that person tells the other person he is? Sure, some people cling to the stereotype, but if I told such a person I was gay, why would he not believe me?>> Because that person is probably ignorant to begin with. I never said it was right, all I said is that there are those who think that way. <<And "Of course I don't believe people choose to be homosexual, especially if you happen to a be a minority or woman" still mystifies me.>> What's there to mystify? Minorities and women in this country sadly are still subjected to some ugly hate in this country.
514	Dabob2 Thu 6/12/2008 12:05p	<<I'm not sure what you're saying then. Who is not going to believe someone is gay if that person tells the other person he is? Sure, some people cling to the stereotype, but if I told such a person I was gay, why would he not believe me?>> <Because that person is probably ignorant to begin with. I never said it was right, all I said is that there are those who think that way.> There are people who if I tell them I'm gay will refuse to believe it? I think you're confusing two different things here. <<And "Of course I don't believe people choose to be homosexual, especially if you happen to a be a minority or woman" still mystifies me.>> <What's there to mystify? Minorities and women in this country sadly are still subjected to some ugly hate in this country.> Yes, but that doesn't follow from your statement about choosing or not choosing. To say "I don't believe people choose to be homosexual, especially if you happen to a be a minority or woman" indicates that a minority person or woman would "especially" not choose to be gay, whereas a white guy might. That might not be what you meant, but that's how it reads.
515	DAR Thu 6/12/2008 1:38p	I think my intent of what I want to say and how I'm saying it is not coming out correctly.
516	Dabob2 Thu 6/12/2008 2:46p	Happens to all of us.
517	DouglasDubh Thu 6/19/2008 9:12p	<Except more than one or two people HAVE said they read the articles.> If they had, they probably wouldn't be bringing up ideas that the author had already dealt with. <That's just pathetic right there.> Well, no. What's pathetic is how you keep distorting my arguments and the arguments of the author I linked to in order to make them sound less reasonable. If you had the facts on your side you wouldn't have to resort to such tactics. <You said "Saying that Massachusetts has a low rate compared to the nation is useless; we need to see if or how it's changed. "> More distortion. Read the sentence before my quote and I make it clear I'm not talking about the divorce rate.
518	Dabob2 Fri 6/20/2008 12:42p	<<Except more than one or two people HAVE said they read the articles.>> <If they had, they probably wouldn't be bringing up ideas that the author had already dealt with.> That's a nonsensical statement. They read the article and found holes all over it. The way he "dealt with" things just wasn't credible, as much as you want to believe them. It's like saying "read Tom Cruise on Scientology. It's SO clear, once you do." Then those people read it and say "it still doesn't make sense." You come back and say "Tom dealt with all of that! You're so blind!" <<That's just pathetic right there.>> <Well, no. What's pathetic is how you keep distorting my arguments and the arguments of the author I linked to in order to make them sound less reasonable. If you had the facts on your side you wouldn't have to resort to such tactics.> Pathetic squared. First of all, I DO have the facts on my side. You have one discredited study. Congratulations. Second, the reason I always print all your text verbatim is so that I can show I'm not distorting it. Doesn't keep you from claiming it, but it does keep you from fooling anyone but yourself about it. <<You said "Saying that Massachusetts has a low rate compared to the nation is useless; we need to see if or how it's changed. ">> <More distortion. Read the sentence before my quote and I make it clear I'm not talking about the divorce rate.> Can you show stats on what you WERE claiming then? I'm guessing not, as usual. I showed stats on the divorce rate - got any MA stats of your own? Put up or shut up time, Doug.
519	barboy Sat 6/21/2008 12:38p	I don't understand why Travelocity has vacations designed for gays. They don't have black or latino vacations...do they? What is a "gay vacation"? How is it different than the ones I might take? Do gay people eat different foods? No. Do gay people stay in different hotels and resorts? No. Being facetious I have to ask: Are gay vacations ones that involve Sydney, Amsterdam, Key West or San Francisco?
520	mele Sat 6/21/2008 12:46p	<<Are gay vacations ones that involve Sydney, Amsterdam, Key West or San Francisco?>> Well, gay people might stay in different hotels if they know that the hotels are "gay friendly". But the vacation spots you listed sound more like vacation destinations for gay men, not lesbians. ;-)

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