| # | Author | Message |
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| SingleParkPassholder
Tue 6/24/2008 1:34p | Church of the Latter Day Bigots is more like it. |
532
| utahjosh
Tue 6/24/2008 1:59p | I understand that same-sex marriage can be an emotional and divisive issue. My church teaches that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is the basic unit of society. That children have the right to be born to a mother and a father.
And the Church has every right to promote religious morality in our country, in fact it is the Church's duty. It is not a matter of discrimination, it is a matter of principle that compels the Church to make a stand. Just as those who support same sex marriage have the right to promote it, so do churches that believe the practice is wrong. |
533
| Kar2oonMan
Tue 6/24/2008 2:01p | It's now or never time for gay marriage opponents, and they know it. Public opinion, especially people under the age of 45, is not in their favor on the issue, according to a recent Field poll. And as time goes by, more and more people are over the whole topic, not buying into the hysteria oponents try to whip up.
It's Last Chance Saloon time, and I expect a lot of dollars will be spent by various churches to support a gay marriage ban in CA. Dollars that could, of course, be spent by churches to actually help the needy, do truly Christian good. But instead, it'll be wasted on this nonsense.
In a couple of years, the public opinion numbers won't be close on the subject of gay marriage in the Golden State: They'll be decidely not in opponents' favor.
For now, if more young people turn out than is typical, this measures crumbles. Obama's nomination bodes well, but young people aren't the most reliable voters, to their shame.
Even if it passes, it's questionable that it would hold up in court. And there is always the reality that as public opinion shifts, a proposal essentially wiping out a gay marriage ban could materialize for the next election cycle. |
534
| Kar2oonMan
Tue 6/24/2008 2:03p | >>It is not a matter of discrimination<<
Of course it is. But really, people have always had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, out of a discriminatory stance in the past. This is just the latest example. |
535
| SingleParkPassholder
Tue 6/24/2008 2:03p | Simply put, churches such as yours have absolutely no right to try and impose their beliefs on the rest of society. We do not need your church to save us from ourselves. If members of your church want to follow their directives, fine for them. But in no way are they welcome in anyone else's life, much less telling them how to live it. Ever. |
536
| ADMIN
Tue 6/24/2008 2:04p | Message removed by an administrator. Click here for the LaughingPlace.com Community Standards. |
537
| utahjosh
Tue 6/24/2008 2:17p | The LDS Church is just continuing the promotion of the family unit as ordained by God according to our understanding.
I'll repeat a paragrpah from the LDS Church's proclamation on the Family from a few years ago:
"Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.
We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society."
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538
| plpeters70
Tue 6/24/2008 2:26p | "Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family"
Just how does allowing gay people to marry cause the disintegration of the family? In my opinion, it's actually broadening the definition of what a family is - and extending it to millions of people. So, why exactly is that a bad thing??
"will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets"
And this is just the usual fire and brimestone crap used to scare worshippers into obedience. But you know, that kind of stuff doesn't really scare anyone else. |
539
| utahjosh
Tue 6/24/2008 2:28p | < But you know, that kind of stuff doesn't really scare anyone else.
It doesn't scare me. It's not meant to scare you. It's just what we believe. |
540
| BlueDevilSF
Tue 6/24/2008 2:29p | Wow...that post was up for -- what? -- 30 minutes? Fast fingers! |
