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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

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581	DouglasDubh Tue 6/24/2008 6:34p	<Simply put, churches such as yours have absolutely no right to try and impose their beliefs on the rest of society.> Nor does a minority of society have the right to try to impose their beliefs onto the majority of churches, but that's what they are trying to do.
582	DouglasDubh Tue 6/24/2008 6:37p	<And think of the time and dollars that will be spent on this, instead of helping people in desperate need.> Yes. It's sad that a handful of activist judges overturned the decision of the majority of the electorate on false premises and brought all this on.
583	jdub Tue 6/24/2008 6:42p	>>Nor does a minority of society have the right to try to impose their beliefs onto the majority of churches, but that's what they are trying to do. << That is not true at all! I've heard of no homosexual couples demanding that churches perform these rites. Believe me, there are plenty of churches willing to take care of the spiritual aspect.
584	ecdc Tue 6/24/2008 6:46p	>>Nor does a minority of society have the right to try to impose their beliefs onto the majority of churches, but that's what they are trying to do.<< Please. No one is doing any such thing. Church's can admit who they want as members, and marry who they want. What evidence do you have that anyone's will is being forced on the "majority of chruches?"
585	ecdc Tue 6/24/2008 6:48p	>>chruches<< And in addition to that, what evidence do you have that it's being forced on churches?
586	DouglasDubh Tue 6/24/2008 7:17p	<What evidence do you have that anyone's will is being forced on the "majority of chruches?> Even the NY Blade has admitted it's happening. "Experts say organizations that receive state and federal funding will not be allowed to oppose working with gays for religious reasons. Some, most notably Catholic Charities of Boston (gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts), have opted to get out of the adoption business rather than be forced to allow gays to adopt." http://www.nyblade.com/2008/6-...ions.cfm And recently I read about a church being forced to rent its property to a gay couple for a marriage, although I can't remember where I read it at. It's no great leap to suppose that if gay marriage is forced on an unwilling electorate, everyone will be forced to recognize it, and punished if they don't.
587	ecdc Tue 6/24/2008 8:15p	>>It's no great leap to suppose that if gay marriage is forced on an unwilling electorate, everyone will be forced to recognize it, and punished if they don't.<< It's a giant leap. There are still several organizations that refuse to admit women to their ranks. They may not be all that popular, but they haven't been "forced" to do anything, and they haven't been "punished." >>And recently I read about a church being forced to rent its property to a gay couple for a marriage, although I can't remember where I read it at.<< I'd like to see the evidence for this. By your logic, the church should be allowed to not rent to a black couple, either, based solely on their race. Of course, we do have anti-discrimination laws for a reason. A church can refuse to recognize a gay couple's marriage. They can't have a business and refuse to hire a person because they're black. And it's the same thing, BTW.
588	BlueDevilSF Tue 6/24/2008 8:16p	>>I'd like to see the evidence for this. By your logic, the church should be allowed to not rent to a black couple, either, based solely on their race.<< Don't bet on it. "I read this somewhere..." is his usual defense.
589	SingleParkPassholder Tue 6/24/2008 8:19p	"Yes. It's sad that a handful of activist judges overturned the decision of the majority of the electorate on false premises and brought all this on." If only you knew what you were talking about. Equal protection is a false premise? Wait until I tell the gang. The irony here of course is that if the courts saw it your way, THEN they would be activists judges, ignoring equal protection.
590	DouglasDubh Tue 6/24/2008 8:29p	<Don't bet on it. "I read this somewhere..." is his usual defense.> My usual defense is the truth, as it is in this case.

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