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Topic: Gay Marriage Ban Overturned by CA Supreme Court

#	Author	Message
61	X-san Thu 5/15/2008 6:32p	Which won't matter one bit if you end up as worm food, will it?
62	Elderp Thu 5/15/2008 6:40p	^ Then why don't we just go crazy and do whatever the heck we want?
63	X-san Thu 5/15/2008 6:42p	Ah, the "if not for religion society would break down into lord of the flies chaos overnight" argument.
64	SingleParkPassholder Thu 5/15/2008 6:43p	"Straight people destroyed the sanctity of marriage long ago. Maybe it's time for gays to see of they can do a better job of preserving it?" Bravo. Touche.
65	X-san Thu 5/15/2008 6:43p	I, personally, don't "go crazy and do whatever the heck I want" because I have a moral center that tells me not to. I don't need some preacher to explain it to me, or fear the wrath of god in order to understand right from wrong.
66	Elderp Thu 5/15/2008 6:48p	What moral center? Your going to end up as worm food, there is no consequences when there is no continuity. No consequences you might as well do what you want.
67	X-san Thu 5/15/2008 6:52p	That makes no sense. Besides, I don't try to be a good person because of fear of consequences (eternal or otherwise). I do it because I want to. And by the way, what you wrote is quite rude. My moral center is fine, thanks. A lot better than some of the bigoted, homophobic, sexist, angry religious types I've encountered, that's for sure.
68	SingleParkPassholder Thu 5/15/2008 6:58p	On my way home I finally heard a legal argument (from a talk show hostof all people) against gay marriage. He agreed we need the courts for checks and balances, and told that to callers who bemoaned the idea that voters can pass something but the courts overturn it. However, he said that he feels the US Supremes won't use the compelling interest standard and find gays are a protected class but instead use the rational basis test, wherein if a state can show there's a logical reason for a certain law, it will stand. His reasoning was that marriage has been a man and a woman for so long that the Supremes have no choice but to see that. Interesting that the talk show host is black. HOWEVER, this arguments assumes too much. One, that sexual orientation is a choice. Putting aside the bi-curious people and those who do things simply to shock their friends and family, there is a significant group of men and women who couldn't change their orientation any more than I can change that I'm a 50 year old white guy who loves women. So, number two, THOSE people, who are attracted to members of their same sex, have already been recognized by many states under various domestic partnership laws. The door, therefore, has already been opened to recognize gays as a protected class, because those statutes had to be enacted to preserve certain rights and privileges pursuant to those laws. You can't justify one and not the other, or else you're endorsing the concept of separate but equal all over again. It's going to be interesting. Most of us today haven't really experienced the type of approaching societal sea change that's coming here. Freeing the slaves, giving women the right to vote, the various basic struggles blacks have had and continue to have, etc., have all essentially been before our time. We're going to see all sorts of ugly and greatness.
69	X-san Thu 5/15/2008 7:03p	Wow, you're 50!? I had no idea.
70	SingleParkPassholder Thu 5/15/2008 7:18p	And I love women.

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