World Events
Topic: Remember when we used to be the good guys?

#	Author	Message
1	X-san Wed 5/28/2008 6:27a	I have fond memories of being a proud American back in my youth, confident in the fact that we would boldly fight against the forces of evil in this world, like China and Russia for example. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WO...dex.html Most interesting is the fact that in the attached poll over 70% of the respondents agreed that America does belong on that list right alongside China and Russia. The poll seems to have disappeared though. Must be a problem with my browser or something.
2	davewasbaloo Wed 5/28/2008 6:44a	Sadly X, it has been a long tie ago, certainly before you and I were born. Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Reaganomics and the 2nd Cold War, and Bush Jr have all made America more of a liability on the international arena. Clinton helped America enormously, sadly, too many puritanicals were more concerned with human labido issues than international foreign policy. It happens in every empire, after ascendancy comes the decline. And the Us sadly is in decline. SO sad for this proud american. Studying international relations in another country was a huge eye opener, and the little post graduate american spirit I had was ripped away from in in the farse of 2000, further aided by the HUGE loss of compassionate advantage after 9/11. America of today scares me, and saddens me even more.
3	X-san Wed 5/28/2008 6:57a	Agreed. Although I would have to say aside from Vietnam I don't think the other issues were really shame-worthy (well, maybe Reaganomics lol). At least, I'd argue there are two sides to those stories to be sure. The 2nd Cold War? Am I missing something? In any case, yeah the situation is pretty shameful and horrible now...I agree with your assessment that we're looking at a society in decline. It's so weird and sad to be on the outside looking in, it's so obvious when you actually join the whole world and take a look at what America has become. Being the eternal optimist, I'm really hoping for some positive steps back in the right direction over the next 10 years. However, if America is stupid enough to elect McCain I feel confident that will be the final nail in the coffin.
4	DVC_dad Wed 5/28/2008 8:23a	What I think is sad is the total lack of appreciation our younger generation and the Libs seem to have for ... No I need to wait until I get home to post. This iPhone isn't gonna cut for this post.
5	X-san Wed 5/28/2008 8:39a	***What I think is sad is the total lack of appreciation our younger generation and the Libs seem to have for ...*** Wait, wait! Lemme guess... Lack of appreciation for, lack of appreciation for, hmmm... Torture!? :) Indefinite confinement? :D Widespread human rights violations in the name of freedom? Oh, oh...I'm SURE I can guess this one, just give me a minute more! The Complete and Utter Hubris of America Today!!?? There. I think I nailed it. :) No need to reply further, DVC. I already took care of it. ;)
6	RoadTrip Wed 5/28/2008 10:03a	A country doesn't go down the crapper in seven years. I think you will see a big change in how the US is perceived once Dubya is gone. Sorry Dave, but I just don't care a whole lot what the international community thinks of the United States. The fact that someone would consider how we handled the Cuban missile crisis as a liability shows the distorted view you folks across the pond hold of the US. Of course you aren't alone in that; I think many people in the US have a distorted view of France, so I guess we are equal. I do think at times some of the dislike is rooted in jealousy over our power. Europe may not like our saber rattling, but you know who they will come running to when a newly powerful Russia decides to make itself known once again in Eastern Europe.
7	X-san Wed 5/28/2008 10:15a	***I just don't care a whole lot what the international community thinks of the United States.*** That sort of attitude from the White House is, I believe, pretty much what got us into this mess. Sure, we could nuke the world if we wanted to...but short of that, there is this issue of world opinion and diplomacy that seems pretty important to me. (not that I would bow, personally, to world opinion if I felt it was unjustified...but I don't)
8	DAR Wed 5/28/2008 10:17a	First of all we're still the good guys. That we're the one's willing to to lead the fight against oppression puts us ahead of any other country. Who's always the first to offer assistance to other countries? That would be the U.S.. Are we perfect? Of course not there's plenty that we need to fix. But you will never change my mind that we aren't the best.
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10	RoadTrip Wed 5/28/2008 10:57a	<<***I just don't care a whole lot what the international community thinks of the United States.*** That sort of attitude from the White House is, I believe, pretty much what got us into this mess.>> Well... there is a difference. A president is in a position to change that perception, I am not. So I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time worrying about it. Also... foreign leaders generally like the US a whole lot more than the average foreign citizen does. And part of that is due to views of the US that are based more on myth than reality. Kind of like a fair percentage of Americans think "France sucks". Does France do a whole lot to try to change that perception? No they do not. Why should they? It's not reality. By the way... in my opinion the "mediocre moron bit" was really uncalled for. Any arguments you make go right down the tube when you resort to name-calling.

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