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Topic: Scott McClellan's Book

#	Author	Message
31	alexbook Thu 5/29/2008 4:17p	>>McClellan also blames the media (surprise!), the "culture of Washington," and Karl Rove for what went wrong. Now there's a bold set of targets.<< LOL
32	DlandDug Thu 5/29/2008 4:25p	Just a few trims and ends... >>How many books need to come out about this administration before they're not all just "opportunists?"<< That would depend on how many the market will bear, and whether they have actual content, I suppose. >>That's okay Snow got his comeuppance.<< And that's about as vile as anything I've read here. I have seen many comments in threads here (especially lately) about how mean spirited and destructive Republicans (specifically) and conservatives (in general) are. Yet when Ted Kennedy's brain tumor was revealed, I didn't see any of us gleefully commenting about his "comeuppance." >>This book presents a quandry for the administration. They can't very well say that he's lying, because that would infer that he was also lying while serving as white house press secretary.<< Sauce for the goose. So are liberals in a quandary because he was a big fat liar when he was Bush's mouthpiece, but now he speaks truth? Noted. >>If there's a silver lining to this, it may be that the whole 'plame-gate' issue will be revisited by the press.<< Yes, please, yes. Let's go over this again and again. It's just so... compelling. >>Did you have the same access he did at the White House? What, specifically, do you dispute?<< I suppose the same question could be asked of those who now are rushing to embrace the newly cleansed Mr. McClellan. How can we know he's telling the truth? After all, he was that liar who stood up at all those press conferences, delivering whoppers without batting an eyelash. Or am I confused about this? Bottom line, none of us have read the book, and are relying mostly on the comments of our favorite commentators. For what it's worth, I was switching back and forth between Sean Hannity and Randi Rhoades yesterday. (For only a short car trip, though.) Both of them were busily attacking McClellan, but for entirely different reasons. I chose not to comment here until I could read more, including actual excerpts from the book. http://www.latimes.com/news/na...81.story
33	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/29/2008 4:47p	>>I suppose the same question could be asked of those who now are rushing to embrace the newly cleansed Mr. McClellan. How can we know he's telling the truth?<< There's a difference between not knowing and declaring that someone is "mostly wrong", which is why I asked Dubh the question. Wrong about what, specfically?
34	DlandDug Thu 5/29/2008 4:51p	>>Wrong about what, specfically?<< I'll be astonished if you get a straight answer to your reasonable question. Problem right now is everyone is responding to the response. So the knee-jerkers on the right are busy attacking McClellan's veracity, and the knee-jerkers on the left are having a field day over another Bush defector. Based on the excerpts I've read, McClellan not only talks out of both sides of his mouth, he writes out of both sides as well. Who knew?
35	Elderp Thu 5/29/2008 5:12p	I am wondering how many here will actually read the book and how many of those "favorite commentators" have actually read the book? Sounds a lot like the movie "Born Yesterday," where she reads that really long book only to find out no one has actually read it.
36	DAR Thu 5/29/2008 5:17p	<<And that's about as vile as anything I've read here. I have seen many comments in threads here (especially lately) about how mean spirited and destructive Republicans (specifically) and conservatives (in general) are. Yet when Ted Kennedy's brain tumor was revealed, I didn't see any of us gleefully commenting about his "comeuppance.">> I was just expressing what a portion of people on the left are secretly feeling. I tend to put it out there.
37	Kar2oonMan Thu 5/29/2008 6:23p	>>I was just expressing what a portion of people on the left are secretly feeling.<< No one knows what people are secretly feeling.
38	ecdc Thu 5/29/2008 10:24p	>>I am astonished and depressed that we are going to get yet another pointless round of accusations concerning the Valerie Plame affair. Folks, there's no mystery here. Richard Armitage has been identified, and has admitted, that he was the leak.<< I am equally astonished that we keep hearing the same defense of the Bush White House over this issue. Armitage was *one* of the leakers, that's true. But it's also been documented that there were others, including Karl Rove and Scooter Libby. It infuriates me that people who call themselves Americans insist this issue is over. It's not, or at least it shouldn't be. Valerie Plame was a covert agent (despite what Rush will tell you) who was responsible to prevent countries and terrorists getting nuclear weapons. So when Cheney says the smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud over Manhattan - yeah, that's what Plame's job was, to prevent that from happening. What happened to Plame was treason (despite Ann Coulter saying being a liberal is treason, this really was), and if it'd happened under the Clinton White House, you can bet people like Dug would be screaming bloody murder.
39	ecdc Thu 5/29/2008 10:37p	>>Those who have seen the book seem to be saying there really isn't much of anything new in it.<< And yet, the Bush Administration and his supporters are incensed by it. Of course, as Gadzuux pointed out, they can't exactly say he was lying, so they've all stuck to the same story. They're "puzzled," "saddened," and they say that "this isn't the Scott McClellan we knew." The Bush White House has usually been silent about books on them in the past. Not this one. No new information or not, it struck a nerve. >>But it is telling that as the contents were leaked, and he was asked by reporters to discuss the revelations, his response was to turn them away, expalining he had an exclusive interview lined up with a morning news broadcast...<< It's not really telling at all, unless of course someone needs to assign bad motives to Scott McClellan because they don't like what he has to say. Of course, it might be more telling if he'd been the only one to do it. But this administration has a long list of those who have been all-too willing to tell us what they've been up to. Other administration's always have the book deals, but not like this. Unless I missed the part in Madeleine Albright's book where she tells us where Vince Foster was murdered.
40	ecdc Thu 5/29/2008 10:50p	Back to the Plame Affair, now that I've refreshed my memory with some articles. Robert Novak has confirmed that Karl Rove was his second source for his article on Valerie Plame. Let's also not forget that Rove told Chris Matthews that he believed "Wilson's wife was fair game" since Joe Wilson had been critical of the Bush Administration. Karl Rove also confirmed Plame's identity with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper four days before Novak's article even appeared. Of course, when asked about this at his first Grand Jury appearance, Rove conveniently forgot this detail. He later had his memory "refreshed" and then disclosed it. Rove's defense all along has been that he learned about Plame from another reporter - but he of course won't say who. Then of course, there's Ari Fleischer. Fleischer was granted immunity by Fitzgerald in return for his cooperation (hey, innocent people ask for immunity all the time, don't they?). Fleischer gave information to David Gregory. But to use one of Dug's favorite phrases, don't take my word for it. There's plenty more at the link, which cites several of the key articles from when the story originally broke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...e_affair It's simply disingenuous to portray this as "gee, it was Armitage - that rascal! Whadda ya gonna do!" It was far, far more than that. And the one person who was found guilty in any capacity had his sentence commuted by the President of the United States. Yup, sounds like this was a one man show to me...

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