Tokyo Disneyland
Topic: Needing a reason

#	Author	Message
1	Malin Mon 6/16/2008 3:25p	Just been looking at airfare for Japan and it seems to me every time I look at the prices I'm having to find a reason to want to visit Japan again. I love the Resort without question but the airfare and cost of accomendation just puts me right off. I could warrant the price if I had a good enough reason to go back but TDR lately hasn't wowed me enough or given me a reason too. Than we come to my biggest worry and thats Earthquakes, I've heard about quite a few recently being felt in Tokyo, and with the next big one long over due I just don't feel I want to take the chance at the moment. Last September I would of jumped at a chance to go back, but I just find it so unusual about 9 months later my opinion has changed so much.
2	barboy Mon 6/16/2008 6:27p	Remember back in '75(or was it '76?) when Jaws came out--- it played on peoples' phobias of sharks even though one was way, way more likely to die in a car collision on the way to the beach/ocean than to be eaten or attacked by a white. I think you have a noticeably higher chance of dying on the way to your home base international airport than to get caught under some rubble after a biggie in Yokohama or Ueno. You, like just about every person on this earth, have an irrational fear. My biggest phobias are planes, poverty, gov't and women in leather. :)
3	Malin Tue 6/17/2008 3:50a	I think you have a good point but regarding the shark comparrison, if you knew of an area where 20 percent of the worlds worst Shark attacks happen would you not kind of want to avoid the area. Its the same principle with me regarding earthquakes. I guess part of the reasons for this is the earthquake that hit the north and of course the recent 7.2 that hit China killing thousands. However Earthquakes alone wouldn't stop me from visiting Tokyo again, but the expense and the fact nothing Tokyo Disney Resort is currently staging has me that keen to visit. I guess once Monsters Inc opens this may be a differnt story but right now I'd rather spend the money on vacations that are easier to pay off.
4	X-san Tue 6/17/2008 6:17a	Totally understandable, the 25th really is nothing to write home about (sadly). Regarding Earthquakes, sure you're screwed if you are unlucky enough to be around when the next "big one" hits (whether Japan, China, California or any other quake zone), but at the same time I think that recent quakes in Japan and China really speak to the level of excellence Japan offers in terms of safety. In other words, I'd rather be in JAPAN for the big one than China or some other place (or even California for that matter). One thing I AM paranoid about is being on trains in Japan. An engineer once told me that if you're on a train, particularly an elevated one, when a big one hits...forget it. You're dead.
5	SuperDry Tue 6/17/2008 7:27a	<<< One thing I AM paranoid about is being on trains in Japan. An engineer once told me that if you're on a train, particularly an elevated one, when a big one hits...forget it. You're dead. >>> Of the people that were killed in the Kobe quake, how many were on trains at the time? (I don't know the answer). I know the bullet trains are tied into a network of seismographs, and as soon as an earthquake is detected in the area the trains execute an emergency stop automatically. They can't come to a complete stop in the 15 or so seconds of early warning that the seismographs will likely provide before the shock wave reaches the trains, but at least they'll be going a lot slower than had nothing been done. Also, smaller earthquakes in general are a good thing. Each one is a relief of strain on the tectonic plates. I'd be more worried in an earthquake zone that hadn't had many quakes recently.
6	trekkeruss Tue 6/17/2008 7:38a	IMO, the only huge expense is airfare. You can easily stay and eat in Tokyo on a slim budget if you don't mind giving up a little convenience and western amenities. As far as earthquakes are concerned, I'd rather go before the big one hits. After that, there might not be a TDR standing. LOL.
7	X-san Tue 6/17/2008 7:39a	Didn't Kobe occur in the very early morning? I read somewhere that it was before the trains were running, and that the death toll would've been far higher in the middle of the day. HOWEVER, I also thought I read somewhere that the shinkansen tracks all broke, but recently a friend who hails from Kobe told me that's not true. Good to know about those seismographs! That does make me feel slightly better. Now if only they connect all the subways, I'd feel better still. :p As far as the "elevated" thing is concerned, what my friend was talking about was not so much derailment (well, YES technically it'd be derailment lol) but the fact that the elevated stuff would all come crashing down. At least I think so. He also advised staying indoors if possible (seemed weird but then he mentioned how many powerlines are outside of a typical Japanese street), and if possible running UPSTAIRS (the reasoning being if your place pancakes the 2nd floor will fall onto the first, but the roof would not collapse...only works for a 2 story structure though if it's even true), and if you are in the city proper to duck into the nearest subway tunnel OR, if that's not possible, under the nearest parked car...since falling glass from buildings would be your biggest danger. That all made sense to me (and I assume he knows his stuff, being an engineer, but I dunno). I've heard that "smaller earthquakes are good" theory, and it sounds great, but geez, is 6.9 really "smaller"? :p I guess I'll say so when I experience my first 9.2, if I live to tell the tale.
8	X-san Tue 6/17/2008 7:40a	Regarding Russ's comment, my engineer friend also told me the WORST place you'd want to be standing during a big quake is on reclaimed land. So we just might see Cinderella Castle at the bottom of Tokyo Bay someday!
9	X-san Tue 6/17/2008 7:43a	Wiki says... "The Great Hanshin Earthquake, or Kobe earthquake as it is more commonly known outside of Japan, was an earthquake in Japan that occurred on Tuesday January 17, 1995 at 5:46 a.m. JST in the southern part of Hyōgo Prefecture. It measured Mw 6.8 on the Moment magnitude scale (USGS),[1] and Mj7.3 on the revised (7.2 on the old) JMA magnitude scale" So while there might have been some early morning commuter trains on the move, I doubt there were any shinkansen trains scheduled quite so early. Just a guess.
10	trekkeruss Tue 6/17/2008 7:49a	The Richter scale is logarithmic. For every whole number increase, the amplitude of the shakin' goes up 10-fold. In other words, an 9.2 would be more than 100 times worse than a 6.9.

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