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Topic: Obama Takes No Guff From McCain On Terror

#	Author	Message
1	SingleParkPassholder Tue 6/17/2008 3:46p	McCain called Obama's approach a "9/10 mindset" while Obama countered that its GOP tactics that have allowed bin Laden to go free. I would agree. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...in_obama
2	gadzuux Tue 6/17/2008 4:43p	>> Obama agreed with the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a constitutional right to challenge their indefinite imprisonment in U.S. civilian courts. McCain derided the ruling as "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country." << It's still breathtaking for me to see people stand up and actively come out in opposition to due process and habeas corpus and basic human rights - especially when it's a presidential nominee. I just don't understand how anyone can be opposed to this. I have to wonder if this reflects McCain's true feelings or if it's a political calculation. Either way it's boneheaded and wrong. If someone would like to rise to the defense of open-ended imprisonment and denial of the right to hear charges and face accusers, I'd like to see it. I don't expect McCain to offer up such justifications for his loudly proclaimed position, but I'd sure like to see him challenged on it. From an op-ed in today's SFChronicle, about the proposed 'military tribunal' hearings that the supreme court overruled (the whole piece is an interesting read) ... Guantanamo and the betrayal of American values Almerindo Ojeda Tuesday, June 17, 2008 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...A397.DTL >> ... these were tribunals in which the prosecution gets to write the rules, appoint the judge, appoint the defense, place both under its military command, and remove either at its pleasure. A similar process has been taking place in the military commissions. The goal of these tribunals is to determine whether a prisoner was properly classified as an enemy combatant. But enemy combatancy is such a recent crime that it was not recognized as such until after it was committed - a case of retroactive application of the law. The evidence presented by the prosecution can be hearsay. It can be coerced. It can be secret. Even from the judge. The prisoner does not have the right of self-defense and may only call witnesses that the judge considers reasonably available. Only fellow prisoners have been considered as such - and then not all of them. The staff for the defense gets appointed by the prosecution. The defense can only appeal decisions on procedural grounds - when, for example, the prosecution failed to follow the rules it imposed on itself. The prosecution, on the other hand, may appeal the verdict, and may even order a new trial. With a different judge. Finally, prisoners found to be improperly classified as enemy combatants may still be held captive until the end of the war on terrorism. And many have. << I'll say it again - I don't think McCain is tough to beat. He's the Bob Dole of `08. And he's not helping his case with comments like this.
3	X-san Tue 6/17/2008 6:14p	"These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could have pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11," the presumed nominee told reporters aboard his campaign plane. "This is the same kind of fear-mongering that got us into Iraq ... and it's exactly that failed foreign policy I want to reverse." I LOVE this guy!
4	DAR Tue 6/17/2008 7:23p	Isn't going to be wonderful when he waves his magic wand and all the bad people who want to kill us just go away.
5	SingleParkPassholder Tue 6/17/2008 7:52p	"Isn't going to be wonderful when he waves his magic wand and all the bad people who want to kill us just go away." You better believe it.
6	twirlnhurl Tue 6/17/2008 7:56p	I'd rather let one or two terrorists through the cracks than loose the integrity of the criminal justice system. The world is safer in our lifetimes than it ever has been before in the history of humanity. Terrorists kill less people worldwide than normal American criminals do every year. Plus, criminals and terrorists are really stupid. Evil masterminds like those in the movies don't exist. We don't need to sacrifice any of our rights to be safe. Obama has no magic wand, but at least he doesn't support stealing my rights. (That said, I'm not a huge Obama fan, but he is definitely right on this issue.)
7	ecdc Tue 6/17/2008 8:12p	>>Isn't going to be wonderful when he waves his magic wand and all the bad people who want to kill us just go away.<< Who said that? Ah yes, once again, no one did. BTW, whether or not Obama is going to be a good President aside, I love that he's standing up to the Republican fear machine, and those who insist Democrats are soft on terrorism. And Keith Olbermann made a good point tonight: Obama is saying what, for whatever reason, has been taboo the last few years among politicians. Bush failed to get bin Laden. Plain and simple. He failed to get the people who attacked us. So while people may want to be sarcastic with Obama, he hasn't failed us. The Republicans have. I think it's worth giving him a shot to prove himself.
8	DAR Tue 6/17/2008 9:13p	That seems to be the feeling if Obama is suddenly everyone is going to love us again. Because all will be right with world Well sorry that's not what is going to happen. And we're kidding ourselves if we think that. The only thing the next President needs to do is continue to have Al Qaeda pursued across the globe which yes we have taken our eyes off of and systematically wiped out.
9	ecdc Tue 6/17/2008 9:32p	>>That seems to be the feeling if Obama is suddenly everyone is going to love us again. Because all will be right with world<< No, what seems to be the feeling is that you're assuming things again. Unless you can show me one quote where someone said anything resembling what you've posted above. No one has said that "all will be right with the world." No one has said that "everyone is going to love us again." All anyone has ever done, DAR, is suggested that Obama may do a better job than George W. Bush. And that isn't saying much. So yet again, you somehow take this to an extreme that no one ever made it out to be. You're complaining about something that's a myth, invented in your own head.
10	X-san Tue 6/17/2008 10:39p	***The only thing the next President needs to do is continue to have Al Qaeda pursued across the globe which yes we have taken our eyes off of and systematically wiped out.*** You mean like the last Democrat did and the current Republican did NOT? http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=...=related

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